Rabbit laser being converted to use Mach3 with 3 axis TB6560

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BobSpencerr
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Rabbit laser being converted to use Mach3 with 3 axis TB6560

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Hi,
I have a Rabbit HX40A laser being converted to use Mach3 and the 3 axis TB6560 board bought from Lightobject.

How exactly is the laser power being controlled with this board in the clip on youtube at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNZnUiDqy_Q

Can anyone tell me if there is any other board or circuits not visible in the clip which is controlling the laser?
Are there any diagrams or information available on making this connection?

Any assistance appreciated.

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BobSpencerr wrote:Hi,
I have a Rabbit HX40A laser being converted to use Mach3 and the 3 axis TB6560 board bought from Lightobject.

How exactly is the laser power being controlled with this board in the clip on youtube at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNZnUiDqy_Q

Can anyone tell me if there is any other board or circuits not visible in the clip which is controlling the laser?
Are there any diagrams or information available on making this connection?

Any assistance appreciated.

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Hello Bob,
I have the same doubt: where do I conect the laser fire control? In the spindle port??
And how controlable is the laser with a TB6560? Just turn it on/off, or it can full control the laser fire intensity?
Hope someone can answer it.
thank you
Raphael
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Re: Rabbit laser being converted to use Mach3 with 3 axis TB

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You can't control the power of the laser by the TB6560 as it is just a stepping motor card, nothing else.
To control the laser power, you have to do manually by using the potentialmeter built-in on the machine.

In order to fire a laser on by the TB6560, here is what you need to do:

1) G-code file contain Z motion.
2) Enable Output on pin 6 to the relay COM port
3) Enable Spindle (relay) on Pin14
4) Connect the normally open (N.O.) to the laser power supply Input pin

Note, it must be a 3 axis board as I was using Z stepping down to simulate "Fire" action. Making sense so far? I used the on board relay for safe guard and you don't have to use it but dangerous if you forgot to code the file to shut off. Relay engaged only if the X,Y in motion. So, why fire the laser when X,Y still in origin, right? The relay is providing a layer of safety protection.

The pin6 is the Step Of Z axis. Or, you can try PIN17 for PWM control but it's not easy to make it right with Mach3. To avoid pre-ignition, I believe you have to use the command M1P1 and M1P0, I forgot it as it's been almost 2 years since my 1st try.

Hope this help

Marco




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Story about my TB6560 and others selling on eBay:
Do not buy those cheap cheap 3 axis on eBay. Dont' get me wrong, I'm not trying push my business here. It's just a fun story about it.

The price selling on eBay is very low some even selling as low as $45 for a 3 axis. Not sure how could they survive with such low price. Well, you never know. Those boards were manufacutered in a city name call DongGuan a base famous of manufacturering all kind of electronics products selling world wide. Those cheap cards were sold by a guy who used cheap cheap parts he could find. He would use any possible used part to cut the cost. One thing to know for sure is that he used two voltage regulator to get 5V from DC24V: LM7812 for 1st stage then using LM7805 for the 2nd stage instead of using a bit higher cost but higher effective DC-DC step down module. That way, it save him $2.5. All we know that LM78XX is very low efficiency and it generate a lot of heat. Those card are very unstable in overall. All chipset used on board were low speed or recycled. I feel sorry for those guy who bought from them. Some buyer asked me to beat the price and complain why I was selling $79 for the same card. They are wrong, it's not the same!

There was a long and horrible story talking about who's copying who's design on one of the Blog in China. And, I know one guy and he is muy supplier. Unbelievable that the discussion was extended to 34 pages and hit rate was uncountable. No one could image a simple copying issue ended up such a long flight on the web. It's a shame that the guy in Dongguan lied about his company from location to scale wise. From his website it's showing a hugh 5 stories buidling but acutally it' fake! A guy (the boss) of a famous website worshop started an investigation to figure out who is telling true. He found that the guy in Dongguan is a shame. There was no such address or buidling exist! I can post the story here if anyone interested to "see" the story but it's all in Chinese.

After reading that story, I was sweating as I was almost made a deal with that guy beore. While having a doubt how bad a card could be and the picture got clear up after I met a friend 3 months ago. What a coincident, he bought the card made by that guy! Guess what, two card blew out in 2 weeks!! :oops:

Stop here.
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Thank you Marco,
Things are clear in my mind now. Just the codes you used that still are hard to understand... but I'll figure what they mean.
I just want to use my machine to cut vectors, using Mach3.
Don't want to engrave anything, so I think the TB6560 is the best choice for this task.
Regards
Raphael
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Thanks for the assistance Marko.

I will try this all out soon.

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A little correction:

To better control the power of the laser, I keep the the potentialmeter that come with the machine. Instead of feeding the 4.8V TTL signal from the Pin6 to the input of the power supply, I connected it to the TH (level high) of the powr supply. That way, the power of later won't be affected by the signal from the TB6560 but totally relying on the potentialmeter. The TH get better tolerance and it fire laser as long as the signal over 3V.

So here is the flow:

PIN6 -> Relay COM -> Relay N.O. -> TH (leve high) or laser trigger

Note, it doesn't has to be PIN#6 but it must matched the setting on the Mach3.


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See attached images for comparsion of two card: Blue (junkies on eBay) and my 3 axis (red one)
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Re: Rabbit laser being converted to use Mach3 with 3 axis TB

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Tech_Marco wrote:A little correction:

To better control the power of the laser, I keep the the potentialmeter that come with the machine. Instead of feeding the 4.8V TTL signal from the Pin6 to the input of the power supply, I connected it to the TH (level high) of the powr supply. That way, the power of later won't be affected by the signal from the TB6560 but totally relying on the potentialmeter. The TH get better tolerance and it fire laser as long as the signal over 3V.

So here is the flow:

PIN6 -> Relay COM -> Relay N.O. -> TH (leve high) or laser trigger

Note, it doesn't has to be PIN#6 but it must matched the setting on the Mach3.


Marco
Marco,
Thank you for your help.
But it would be easier to explain, and understand, if you draw a simple sketch on paper showing all the wires plugged in the "red board" and in the power source.
Could you do that for us, simple human beings?
Thank you a lot
Raphael
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